Slave Protocol – Class 5

 

Master Gorm Runo’s classes on Slave Protocol.  Presented at Tosar Village on Mondays at 6pm SLT.  Excellent classes presenting what Master’s expect of slaves and their behavior.

*************** CHAT LOGS ****************

[19:04] Gorm Runo: we are going to begin tonight with a musical selection
[19:04] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Master is singing!
[19:05] Gorm Runo: I think many of your will recognize it at once.
[19:05] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): squeals and bounces
[19:05] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) giggles peering up at him a quizzical expression on her face …

[19:05] Gorm Runo: And now ladies and gentlemen –
the Keeper of the keys,
the Countess of the clink,
the mistress of Murderers Row,
Matron Mama Morton!

[19:05] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): ahhhh.. yes!!
[19:05] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): recognition dawns
[19:05] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “Oh goodness!” giggles as Chicago flashes through her head .. the Musical ..

[19:05] Gorm Runo: Ask any of the chickies in my pen
They’ll tell you I’m the biggest Mutha. . . .Hen
I love them all and all of them love me –
Because the system works;
the system called reciprocity!
[19:06] Gorm Runo: Got a little motto
Always sees me through –
When you’re good to Mama
Mama’s good to you!
There’s a lot of favors
I’m prepared to do –
You do one for Mama
She’ll do one for you!
[19:06] Gorm Runo: They say that life is tit for tat
And that’s the way I live –
So, I deserve a lot of tat
For what I’ve got to give!
Don’t you know that this
hand washes that one too –
When you’re good to Mama
Mama’s good to you!
[19:07] Gorm Runo: If you want my gravy
Pepper my raggoo –
Spice it up for Mama
She’ll get hot for you!
When they pass that basket
Folks conribute too –
You put in for Mama
She’ll put out for you!
[19:07] Gorm Runo: The folks a top the ladder
are the ones the world adores –
So boost me up the ladder kid
and I’ll boost you up yours!
Let’s all stroke together
Like the Princeton crew –
When you’re strokin’ Mama
Mama’s strokin’ you!
So what’s the one conclusion
I can bring this number to?
When you’re good to Mama
Mama’s good to you!!

[19:08] Gorm Runo: The song is talking about what has actually developed in most of the known universe in the matter of male/female relationships.
[19:08] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside) claps and giggles all excited. And was singing along while reading it
[19:09] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) hisses, “Get off me.”
[19:09] Gorm Runo: that word that I can not say correctly for some reason, the repricity thing
[19:10] Gorm Runo: has formed the basis for modern day, at least, male/female dynamics. It seems to start very early, in the playgrounds. A girl says. “I will love you, if you love me”
[19:10] Gorm Runo: It is a tit for a tat exchange, a contract , even if not written down, which has both parties constantly asking, “whats in it for me?”
[19:11] Gorm Runo: and then there is Gor
[19:11] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman) just shakes head, fingering her collar lightly.
[19:12] Gorm Runo: If I was to be asked to state a major paradigm difference in what makes a Gorean slave girl, it would be this.
[19:13] Gorm Runo: It is not a contract in the classical sense. That is why there is a collar around your necks, and why you kneel at our feet

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[19:13] Gorm Runo: I promised to give some examples from some recent experiences to illustrate this idea.
[19:14] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) listens closely
[19:14] Gorm Runo: a “slave” and I use the term loosely, informed me that if her service was not appreciated, she was just not going to offer it.
[19:15] Gorm Runo: To be clear, no service had yet been given. The appreciation, the deal part of it, had to come first.
[19:15] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) brows shoot up jaw dropping slightly .. closes her mouth …
[19:16] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside) eyes widen and looks horrified that a girl would say such a thing

[19:16] Gorm Runo: That is “anti=Kajira behavior.
[19:17] Gorm Runo: The normal repro, city, deal is not what Gorean slavery is based on.
[19:17] GeneChico shakes his head trying not to clench his teeth
[19:17] Gorm Runo: Make no mistake, the idea was that done correctly, the dynamic, which was much more tuned
[19:18] Gorm Runo: to natural order, was supposed to provide a benefit for both parties.
[19:18] Gorm Runo: Even the books, were always screaming about “the freedom of slavery” or “finally , free to be true to herself” etc. etc.
[19:19] Gorm Runo: and a girl ran away, and ended up in the alcoves of a paga tavern rather than return to Earth.
[19:20] Gorm Runo: she didn’t want to go back to the world of “the deal” The world of “I will love you, if you love me.”
[19:21] Gorm Runo: she wanted to stay in a world of totality, where she was truly alive.
[19:22] Gorm Runo: Gorean Masters are keyed into listening for that kind of deal making, and of the expectations, and even demands, that so often follow that kind of Earth girl thinking here in Gor.
[19:23] Gorm Runo: “whats in it for me?” is a question that every human would instinctively ask. The human animal and its self preservation instinct asks that question.
[19:24] Gorm Runo: but, the kajira asks it quietly, in her heart, and in her belly. She does not make it part of a “contract” for her submission. Her submission is unconditional.

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[19:24] bee (beaDumbledore) beams looking up at her Owner and nods
[19:26] Gorm Runo: I suppose that is what makes Gor seem much harsher than other lifestyles that share much of our terminology, but it is what it is. Gorean slavery is a leap of faith. Total submission, with the hope that the Master , whose responsibilities under this arrangement are very harsh , too
[19:27] Gorm Runo: is honorable, and strong.

[19:28] Gorm Runo: I urge you all to watch your serves, your behavior, your conversations, while you are here in Second Life Gor this coming week. Look for that repro,,,city, stuff in your attitude and expectations, and vector yourselves outward in service.
[19:29] Gorm Runo: And then, evaluate, from what happens, and how it makes you feel to serve with that kind of heart,
[19:29] Gorm Runo: whats in it for you

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———– QUESTIONS & ANSWERS ———–
[19:30] Gorm Runo: That is all I had for tonight, if you have comments, questions, lets use the @ method, and say done, when finished to keep order.
[19:30] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
———–
[19:30] Gorm Runo: yes, tabi
[19:31] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Master, do you really think it’s possible for a girl to serve with all her heart day after day and receive nothing in return? My experience has been that it’s not and that eventually resentment or anger or both will set in. I think that’s what’s happened to many slaves in SL Gor, they served Masters that gave them nothing in return and they became bitter and hardened because of it.
[19:31] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): done, Master
[19:31] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:32] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): @
[19:34] Gorm Runo: Actually, tabi, I think that maybe the evaluation process, when uncluttered, might avoid that situation. A girl should know quickly if her needs are not being met, and might be doing things to rectify the situation, by attracting a buyer even.
[19:35] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy) whispers… shopping for another Master….hmmmmm
[19:35] Gorm Runo: they shouldn’t become bitter and hardened, either. They should see it as a learning experience, and a part of the journey. It should make them wise and more confident.
———–
[19:35] Gorm Runo: rhiannon, go ahead
[19:35] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) takes a deep breath, “Thank you, Master. i just wished to share my thoughts on all you said. Cause, it is hard, to be a slave and to constantly vector outwards. Like you said, it is a human instinct to question, “What’s in it for me?” However, as your slave, over the past few months actually, i have been halting myself when i have those thoughts. And, flipping them, to .. how can i please Master at this? Or .. by doing this? Or .. whatever. And, the reward has been so wonderful! i find that the more i give the more i receive and even if i don’t receive perhaps all that i might hope for, in the end i can be content knowing that you are happy.” done
[19:37] Gorm Runo: thank you, rhiannon. That is how it should work.
———–
[19:37] Gorm Runo: thais, you had a comment, too
[19:37] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Master, I have thought about that question, “What’s in it for me”. So many times, service, charities, favors… they all have an ulterior motive. But what’s in it for a slave. I know this will sound smarmy, but to me service is like bathing in a warm spirit.. there is a freshness and a warmth to it, but not a sense you have earned anything except another day to experience that same warmth once again, and to feel you are learning a little better each day how to sense your Master’s wants. But, to Tabi’s point, perhaps a good Master can help keep that feeling energized. #
[19:39] Gorm Runo: Very true. The truth is that there has to be that repro thing in any relationship. The Gorean difference is that it is not “tit for tat, and you stroke me, I will stroke” you kind of trade off.
[19:40] Gorm Runo: It recognizes the differences, in roles, in dominance/submissive natures, in male and female perspective.
[19:40] Gorm Runo: It can’t be tit for tat, because the needs are so different. especially, the needs of a girl who craves bathing in the warmth of being pleasing and useful.
[19:41] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) smiles
———–
[19:42] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:42] Gorm Runo: yes, rhiannon
[19:42] Gorm Runo: go ahead.
[19:43] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “i just wanted to tell thais i loved the way she put that. Bathe in the warmth of being pleasing.” smiles .. “done.”
[19:43] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman) smiles, her face reddening slightly
———–
[19:45] Gorm Runo: ok, tabi, go ahead.
[19:45] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): and if the girl serves and is never recognized for her service, then she never bathes in the warmth of being pleasing. How does she know she’s pleasing if she’s never told. If what she does is just taken for granted and the Master moves on not recognizing what the girl did or giving her any feedback. You need some kind of reciprocation to feel that warmth of being pleasing. I don’t think there is a single girl in this room who can serve and not receive some kind of recognition in return. Even seeing the Master enjoying himself isn’t enough after awhile. The girl will want something for herself, and that is just natural. It’s human nater, even for a woman.
[19:45] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): done, Master
[19:45] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): nature, not nater, LOL
[19:48] bee (beaDumbledore): @
[19:48] Gorm Runo: there is a long distance between tabi’s “never recognized for her service” and the kind of Earth girl reciprocity that I am talking about tonight. In side that long distance, fits the world of fictional Gor, where the poor unhappy girls will just have to languish away in misery. And there is Second Life Gor where if you are such an idiot as to not recognize the human needs of your submitted slave girls, you will not have them for long.
———–
[19:49] Gorm Runo: bee
[19:49] Gorm Runo: go ahead, we have time for one more comment.
[19:49] bee (beaDumbledore): To me submission is it’s own reward … being allowed to serve. It’s involves having a need to serve and submit … to be a slave. I love Rhiannon’s comment on how she dealt with those feelings we all can experience. Done
[19:50] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) flushes pink
[19:51] Gorm Runo: well, as I said. lets watch our interactions this week in light of this idea. Lets see how unselfish our service is, and if the rewards that flow from the dynamic are “worth it”
[19:51] Gorm Runo: I suggest you will find it is so. You all are here, and have been, for some time, fully knowing what Gor is about. i suspect that your slave bellies will speak loudly.
[19:52] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) whimpers as her belly tightens at the thought of being made of use ….
[19:52] Gorm Runo: you are all dismissed, now…that is enough for one night

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slave Protocol – Class 4

[19:09] Gorm Runo: This will be short and sweet tonight. tabi has been updating the blog posts including some of these Monday night sessions
[19:09] Gorm Runo: and I want this one included.
[19:10] Gorm Runo: To understand my point tonight, we need to define two concepts first.
[19:10] Gorm Runo: They are “The Consensual Doorway” and “Continuation of Ownership.”

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[19:12] Gorm Runo: The first idea accepts the understanding that the major paradigm difference between Second Life Gor and the fictional planet itself is that we can not deny consent in Second Life, whereas they could and did in the world that we are recreating.
[19:13] Gorm Runo: But, in order to most accurately recreate that world consent has to be limited to a doorway type consent, and not a line item consent, if one is selecting the role of Gorean slave girl..
[19:14] Gorm Runo: That means the girl consents to be a slave, or withdraws her consent to be a slave by departing, but those are the only two “consent issues” that the girl should have to address.
[19:15] Narin (narelle.hennah): may this girl enter? Master?
[19:15] Gorm Runo: yes, indeed.
[19:15] Narin (narelle.hennah): thank you Master
[19:16] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) scratches with the quill, stopping only to look up and offer the newly arriving girl a smile .. dips the quill and begins to once again scribble upon the rence paper …
[19:17] Gorm Runo: I have spoken of a Second Life Gor that allowed people to experience Gor in as accurate and realistic way as possible.
[19:18] Gorm Runo: The people who believe that the most have warned girls away from it more than encouraged them to enter it.
[19:18] Gorm Runo: From the very beginning, the wisest advice given by Gorean men to potential slave girls, was “run away while you can.”
[19:19] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) grins remembering being told those very words long ago ..
[19:20] Gorm Runo: But, that advice has no meaning or validity at all in a world where the slaves are giving and withdrawing consent at will depending upon their moods and the situation.

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[19:21] Gorm Runo: That kind of D/s type world might be kicks and giggles for many, but it is not Gor either.
[19:22] Gorm Runo: So, a reasonable approach to this is the “doorway” of consent. The girl ignores the advice and submits herself as a Gorean slave. That should be that.
[19:23] Gorm Runo: But, in Gor, and this has never been the case in online Gor , let alone Second Life Gor, a slave has two conditions. Collared and under discipline. or, a runaway.
[19:25] Gorm Runo: the idea of an “uncollared slave” has been a issue that has been discussed for many long hours around the campfires of Second Life Gor.
[19:25] Gorm Runo: While it is easy to understand a girl that might say, “I have a slave heart, and burn to serve, but have not found the right Master to serve yet”
[19:26] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (kel.blindside): nods as that had been her for 7 years
[19:27] Gorm Runo: once again that is something from that D/s alternative world, but it is not Gor.
[19:27] Gorm Runo: A girl is collared owned and controlled, or she is a runaway. and there is no other real status.
[19:27] Gorm Runo: once again that is something from that D/s alternative world, but it is not Gor.
[19:27] Gorm Runo: A girl is collared owned and controlled, or she is a runaway. and there is no other real status.

unowned slave
[19:28] Gorm Runo: The holder of the collar might be a slave house, training kennels, one of our many educational institutes, or a paga tavern.
[19:30] Gorm Runo: and the holder of the collar might not be the “true Master” of her dreams, but there would be a chain of unbroken discipline, ownership, and control while she searched for him, or even more likely, she polished her skills so sharply and shone so brightly, that he noticed her when he came wandering by.
[19:31] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (kel.blindside): smiles
[19:31] Gorm Runo: So, many of the “relationship” type things so common in Second Life Gor are not philosophically acceptable to the House of Runo.
[19:32] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) nods nods looking up at him and then down at the paper she was scrawling upon.
[19:33] Gorm Runo: girls do not “beg release” or “break up” That is an idea that is totally opposed to our belief in the unbroken chain of ownership and discipline.

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[19:34] Gorm Runo: One time, I had stolen a girl from a fellow. I guess she listened to me give a class and had felt something jump in her belly, and she came and submitted to me.
[19:35] Gorm Runo: but, she belonged to someone else. I made him an offer to buy her , and he refused, despite the fact, the offer was generous.
[19:37] Gorm Runo: she said, “do not worry, fuck him.” I will just leave and come to you.” But,, that is not Gor, is it. That is taking back that “consent” when it suits her.
[19:38] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) shakes her head frowning .. that was not Gor at all.
[19:39] Gorm Runo: It made more sense to go to her sim and shoot her full of arrows and drag her down to the dock, and tp her back to the Caer, cut her collar off at the Blacksmith shop, and slap mine on. I even left a box of gold coins, ala Captive of Gor, behind on the sim.
[19:40] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) chuckles softly having never heard this story before.
[19:40] Narin (narelle.hennah) likes that ide more then just running away
[19:41] Narin (narelle.hennah): idea*
[19:41] Narin (narelle.hennah): @
[19:42] Gorm Runo: I did want to clearly state that the House of Runo slave house supports the two concepts of doorway consensuality, and continuation of ownership and expects its slaves to understand them as well.

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[19:42] Gorm Runo: yes, narin
[19:42] Gorm Runo: go ahead and speak freely
[19:42] Narin (narelle.hennah): cant you be stolen by panthers then sold to the net Master?
[19:42] Narin (narelle.hennah): next*
[19:43] Gorm Runo: yes, that has happened often, too
[19:43] Narin (narelle.hennah): because that happend to this girl once
[19:43] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:44] Gorm Runo: although, obviously, that was a local danger in only certain areas. slaves in AR did not worry about it, and bonds maids in Torvaldsland didn’t much either. girls in cities close to the Northern woods, and other desolate places had more concerns.
[19:45] Gorm Runo: where did they catch you?
[19:45] Gorm Runo: smiles
[19:45] Gorm Runo: go ahead, rhiannon
[19:45] Narin (narelle.hennah): Tarnburg Master ten years ago
[19:47] Gorm Runo: rhiannon has a lot to say, I think?.
[19:47] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): smiles, ‘Thank you, Master. Just wanted to say that thinking back over 17 years i never once went without a collar that i can think of. Whether it be as a city slave, a kennel slave, a paga slut, a bond maid…. If you truly do understand the concept of the doorway to Gor being the consensuality doorway, then i think you kinda understand that this is what you are getting yourself into… that you don’t expect as kajira to be without a collar once one has been placed about your neck. i also would like to say that i think that this sort of thinking further promotes the idea of serving the house or serving the area that you are in .. that certain slaves have different roles and such within the house. Done.” blushes.
[19:49] Narin (narelle.hennah): they broke in to the kennels while i was resting took me and a nother girl captive…i went along with it .. but did know i was about to be sold to another Master i was very new to gor.
19:50] Gorm Runo: It would not make sense to call them “slaves” and take the idea that they are here to be useful and to serve off the table.
[19:51] Gorm Runo: They would be “serving” from the moment they cross through that doorway
[19:53] Gorm Runo: serving every step of the way until they are in the collar of their love Master, should they be lucky enough to get that far. But, there is no idle time in there when they are “healing” or “finding themselves” or “searching for a Master.” or any of the excuses they might find to not serve and be useful.
[19:53] Gorm Runo: ok,,,that is a wrap for tonight
[19:53] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) smiles understanding, “Yes, Master, Thank you.”
[19:54] Gorm Runo: if a notecard of the main points can be saved for the blog
[19:54] Gorm Runo: I would be happy and none of you fed to parsit fish
[19:54] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) sprinkles sand on the finished copy .. fast!

 

Slave Protocol class 3

Master Gorm Runo’s classes on Slave Protocol.  Presented at Tosar Village on Mondays at 6pm SLT.  Excellent classes presenting what Master’s expect of slaves and their behavior.

*************** CHAT LOGS ****************
[19:10] Gorm Runo: I know that for the past few weeks we have discussed rules and expectations in very general terms. I thought it would be interesting to look at some examples of “rules”
[19:10] Gorm Runo: and we have some , as luck would have it, to look at and compare
[19:11] Gorm Runo: I want this to be an open discussion exercise, where everyone should freely express their ideas on the rules, as if they make sense, are unenforcable, drive people crazy, are never followed anywhere.,,,that kind of critique is what I am looking for
[19:12] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside) nods softly
[19:12] Toki (FiFi Darkfury) intently lisens and takes notes

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——– Rule One ———
[19:12] Gorm Runo: ok, #1
[19:12] Gorm Runo: English is our first language, however exceptions will be considered.
[19:13] Torque Redenblack: am I allowed in?
[19:13] Des (DespoinaNatasa) raises her hand
[19:13] Gorm Runo: yes, we have allowed guests to observe
[19:13] Gorm Runo: there are tables there, make yourself at home

[19:14] Gorm Runo: ok, des, go ahead, and you can just use @ for “raise her hand” to save time
[19:14] Des (DespoinaNatasa): a good rule for a slave house is to be seen and not heard Master?

[19:14] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): @
[19:14] Gorm Runo: nods, that is true, but I am asking if an English language rule is a good rule
[19:14] Gorm Runo: toki, go ahead
[19:15] Des (DespoinaNatasa): ohhh giggles
[19:15] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): always be pleasing to a Master?
[19:15] Sweets Collins (Bittersweets Collins): May i Listen?
[19:15] Sweets Collins (Bittersweets Collins): thank you
[19:15] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): @
[19:15] Des (DespoinaNatasa): shakes her head and whispers “no Master it is not””
[19:16] Gorm Runo: toki, we are not looking for suggestions. I want your opinions on these rules
[19:16] Gorm Runo: #1 slaves must speak English
[19:16] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:16] Gorm Runo: # Please look at a slaves profile to learn what she can and what she can not do
[19:16] Gorm Runo: tiggy
[19:16] Gorm Runo: go ahead
[19:17] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): That seems to be a common rule through out.. that the main language is English… translators seem to be frowned at, especially in rp sims…
[19:17] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): done
[19:17] Gorm Runo: nods

[19:17] Gorm Runo: tabi
[19:17] Gorm Runo: go ahead
[19:17] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Since we are an English speaking household Master, I would agree with that. in that way everyone can understand what each person is saying. I suppose an exception can be made if they don’t speak English, but are willing to use a translator.
[19:18] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): BAsically agree with tiggy with the one exception… done Master

——- Rule Two ——–
[19:18] Gorm Runo: ok,,,how about “check a slaves profile to determine her limits?”
[19:18] Gorm Runo: good rule or bad rule?
[19:18] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): @
[19:18] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:18] Des (DespoinaNatasa): @
[19:18] Gorm Runo: tiggy
[19:19] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): should a slave even have limits Master??
[19:19] bee (beaDumbledore): whispers to Ashlyn, “here you can have my desk”
[19:19] Gorm Runo: true, it is saying Look at her profile to see what she can and can not do. that is a little strange?

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[19:20] Gorm Runo: tabi, what do you think
[19:20] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): @
[19:20] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Bad rule, Master. Because sometimes in talking with a girl you find different from what is in her profile. You’ll find a girl willing to stretch those limits or try more. And while I agree with tiggy in principal, in actuality a slave does have limits. For example, I would be hesitant to participate in bestiality and would definately draw the line at toilet play… I also don’t care for girl on girl… so I do have limits.
[19:20] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): But mostly bad rule because you just can’t rely on profiles that may have been written weeks ago and the girl feels differently now with some experience and such.
[19:20] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): done Master
[19:21] Toki (FiFi Darkfury) nods in agreement

[19:21] Gorm Runo: ok, des, you were next
[19:22] Des (DespoinaNatasa): in my opinion Master, being a slave means that you have in essence givven up any and all control, so if a Free wishes something of you, you should do that task to the best of your abilities, there is restricted and there is unrestricted…. if you are a restricted slave then of course you are limited on what you can and can not do.. but if you are unrestricted then there should be no “limits”
[19:22] Des (DespoinaNatasa): i do not think that there is a inbetween for the two
[19:22] Des (DespoinaNatasa): done

[19:22] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) @
[19:23] Gorm Runo: thais, you were next
[19:23] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Thank you, Master.
[19:23] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Master, I think that these rules so far about language and profiles have nothing to do with being a slave. They are just rules about SL etiquette, or rules of roleplay. I expected the rules that you would discuss were about the roles and duties and requirements and discipline of a slave.
[19:24] Gorm Runo: nods, very good point

[19:24] Des (DespoinaNatasa): @
[19:25] Gorm Runo: rhiannon, go ahead
[19:25] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “Thank you, Master. Bad rule. done.”
[19:25] MAXI WOLF (wolfthatdances): @

[19:25] Gorm Runo: and des, go ahead
[19:26] Des (DespoinaNatasa): in response to what thais had said, for the rules and requirements of a slave, shouldnt one also before hand understand the rules about sl etiquette as some rp sims i have notice they tend to fall heavily on the sl rules side as well as those of Gor?
[19:26] Des (DespoinaNatasa): thank you Master
[19:26] Gorm Runo: nods.

——–Rule 3 ————
[19:27] Gorm Runo: Ok, how about this rule #3
[19:28] Gorm Runo: Although a slave may be punished by any Free, please report any problem to the slave’s owner, or the sim administrator, or the First girl, the slave will be dealt with accordingly

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[19:29] Des (DespoinaNatasa): @

[19:29] Gorm Runo: go ahead, des
[19:29] Gorm Runo: that one is multi-faceted, indeed
[19:29] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): @
[19:30] Des (DespoinaNatasa): good rule, with one exception. the first girl, is still a slave like the one in question, and thus should not be able to administer punishments but should be aloud to confine the girl until there is someone that could punish said girl
[19:30] Des (DespoinaNatasa): done
[19:30] bee (beaDumbledore): @

[19:30] Gorm Runo: thais
[19:30] Gorm Runo: go ahead
[19:31] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): I think that may be a realistic rule, Master, so long as it is not intended to prevent a free from dealing appropriately with an unpleasing slave. If a free must accept insolent behavior from a free, and have the slave protected by an absent administrator or other free, then she is not truly a slave.
[19:31] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): *from a slave
[19:32] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): @

[19:33] Gorm Runo: nods to thais
[19:33] Gorm Runo: bee, go ahead
[19:33] bee (beaDumbledore): I think it is a redundant rule that doesn’t need to be written. The Free are going to do what the Free will do. Commonsense should prevail. We all know that the Free will deal howsoever they choice and we are slaves. Important things and unportant things and nosy things things are already reported to you all the time. Why is there even a need for such a rule? It goes without saying in my opinion.
[19:33] Gorm Runo: smiles
[19:34] Des (DespoinaNatasa) giggles

[19:34] Gorm Runo: tiggy, go ahead
[19:34] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman) smiles and nods at Bee
[19:34] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): I was always told that any free could punish me and deal with my misbehavior there and then, as they saw fit… and then i would crawl on my belly to my Owner once punished to beg forgiveness from them also…. Possibly resulting in further punishment from my Owner….. it should be common sense rule… if a slave misbehaves she is dealt with… done.
[19:35] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) @

[19:35] Gorm Runo: Ok, my impression was that the rule was actually discouraging the Free to act. if they are being asked to let absent owners or first girls to handle it, they are being asked to really not take it into their own hands.
[19:35] Des (DespoinaNatasa) peeks over her shoulder as she feels the hairs stand on her neck and whispers “greetings my Master” then turns back to her notes

[19:36] Gorm Runo: rhiannon, go ahead
[19:36] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “Thinks this is a bad rule. Too many ppl that can punish or should be reported to. If a slave is honest, then she will report to her Owner of her misdeed and the punishment that resulted and if the free has such an issue with it then that free should seek out the owner himself to deal with him or her.”
[19:36] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “Thank you, Master, done.”
[19:36] MAXI WOLF (wolfthatdances): covers my doodling with a grin
[19:37] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “clarify, …. too many ppl that should be reported to about the behavior of a girl. Not punish. Anyone can punish a slave.”

———- Rule 4 ————
[19:37] Gorm Runo: ok, how about this one from a wagon camp.
[19:37] Gorm Runo: 5) There are to be not pet slaves. If you think you deserve attention or you think you deserve to wear clothes or you think you dont have to do something you are told to do then go play in family friendly gor. You will be treated like a slave. A gorean slave. You will act your part. Slaves feared to be displeasing. If you are not afraid of the free then you better change your attitude.

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[19:37] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “For any reason.” done.
[19:38] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) grins liking this rule
[19:38] Gorm Runo: everyone like that one?
[19:38] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:38] Toki (FiFi Darkfury) thinks yes this is agood rule

—— Rule 5 ———-
[19:39] Gorm Runo: 4) Private slaves- If you are restricting your private girl then you will keep her BELTED at all times. Wagon slaves wear a leather collar or a metal collar in the turian style. If she is restricted then you sure as hell as better keep her slutty alluring ways away from the other men. She better not tease them in anyway unless she is open for use. No pentalties will be given to someone who uses a restricted slave who acts teasing in service.

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[19:39] Des (DespoinaNatasa) giggles thinking that clothes are a waste of time and look better on the floor but wears them cause they are pretty and her Master likes them
[19:39] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside) nods lots and lots really liking the no pet slaves rule
[19:39] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) LOVE that rule!!
[19:39] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:40] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): @
[19:40] Gorm Runo: woot
[19:40] Gorm Runo: yes, tabi
[19:40] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @

[19:40] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): That is a good rule Master in that it holds true to the gorean ideals. A restricted slave would be isolated and kept apart from the men. The belted thing might not be strictly gorean or going a bit too far, because if she’s kept isolated then no need to belt her. If she gets out someone might harm her trying to take off the belt.
[19:41] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): so best she not be belted at all, but kept away from the men and if she gets out… it’s on her head so to speak. Done Master.

[19:42] Gorm Runo: nods
[19:42] Gorm Runo: rhiannon
[19:44] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “Thank you, Master. girl thinks this is a good rule, but like tabi, the belt thing. It would not be necessary in her thinking because she would be kept away from other men. i really like that it says, “Keep their slutty ways .. ” meaning, don’t act like you are available in any way if you aren’t. But, even to serve a drink and act in the slightest way as if you are heated, or even joyous in service, could be taken for availability. Done.”

[19:45] Gorm Runo: thais, I missed you
[19:45] Gorm Runo: go ahead
[19:45] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Yes, Master, both those rules are consistent with what I have read of Gorean Masters and their responsibility for their slaves, although slaves are property, and frees are not free to take or use the property without permission. Perhaps the enticing behavior of the girl implies permission to a free, and it’s on her head that she is correctly conveying her Master’s wishes.. Funny, I had typed the same phrase that Tabi used… “on her head”
[19:45] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy) laughs
[19:46] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @

[19:46] Gorm Runo: rhiannon, go ahead
[19:47] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): “Thank you, Master, the statement there, “free are not to use others property without permission.” i know this is true. The only time this one has ever served without having a Master ask permission of her Owner for her to serve was in a tavern. So what of tavern service then?” Done.

[19:49] Gorm Runo: Well, that rule was written for a wagon camp. So, the tavern issue might not have come up. but, it does lead into the point I want to make. The last two rules, that seemed harsh, and very Gorean in nature, were written for a role play heavy wagon camp
[19:50] Gorm Runo: I have in my files many note cards with rules from many cities that I have collected over the years
[19:50] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): @
[19:50] Gorm Runo: and we could have discussed the pros and cons of all of them and taken hours and we still would not have finished.
[19:51] Gorm Runo: but, if I am going to make conclusions and speaking generally, the rules for role play heavy cities are usually more behavior of slaves related, and much more harsh than the rules of more lifestyle sims.
[19:52] Gorm Runo: where the rules tend to speak more of how to handle restrictions and misbehavior and as thais called it, the sl stuff, that does not really relate to the books at all, because it is sl tech stuff.
[19:53] Gorm Runo: I wonder if it is a good thing that the ones we accuse of being the role players tend to have the strict rules, and the lifestylers are more lax.
[19:53] Des (DespoinaNatasa): @
[19:54] Gorm Runo: does that imply that, even in second life, the true expectations and standards of slavery are so hard to live up to that unless we are “playing” and have ooc to fall back on when needed, we can not really apply the real strict rules that we would expect of Gorean slaves?

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[19:54] Gorm Runo: or as the quote here says
[19:54] Gorm Runo: “What are the duties of a slave?” I asked.
“They are complex and manifold, Master,” she said.
“Speak generally,” I said.
“We are to be absolutely docile,” she said. “totally obedient and fully pleasing.”
[19:55] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:55] bee (beaDumbledore): @

[19:57] Gorm Runo: so, I am suggesting that we start there. Rule #1 a slave is absolutely docile Rule #2 a slave is totally obedient Rule #3 a slave is fully pleasing. That is a good start, but then we are going to begin to define docile, and pleasing, and maybe even obedient
[19:57] Gorm Runo: ok,,,that was it for me

[19:57] Gorm Runo: des, rhiannon, and bee had comments
[19:57] Gorm Runo: so one at a time
[19:57] Gorm Runo: des,
[19:57] Gorm Runo: then rhiannon
[19:57] Gorm Runo: then bee
[19:57] Gorm Runo: and say done
[19:57] Des (DespoinaNatasa): thank you Master, but toki had wanted to speak before me
[19:57] Gorm Runo: or I will not be fully pleased
[19:58] Gorm Runo: ok,,toki first
[19:58] Gorm Runo: then des, then rhianno
[19:58] Gorm Runo: then bee
[19:58] Gorm Runo: and say done, or I will not be fully pleased

[20:00] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): done
[20:01] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): apologies
[20:01] GeneChico makes a note about toki holding up the class
[20:01] Gorm Runo: you don’t say done, until you are done
[20:01] Gorm Runo: toki
[20:01] Gorm Runo: laughs
[20:01] MAXI WOLF (wolfthatdances): its lively subject…
[20:02] Gorm Runo: hey, Maxi. and Tal Administrator.

[20:02] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): yesMaster i was held up in real … but i wanted to share the rules i coloect from tarnsburge before it clolapsed
[20:02] Toki (FiFi Darkfury) turns red and falls silent
[20:02] Gorm Runo: do you have them on a note card
[20:02] Gorm Runo: des, go ahead with your comment
[20:02] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): yes Master

[20:03] Des (DespoinaNatasa): thank you Master
[20:03] Des (DespoinaNatasa): Master, if i may, do you in your opinion think that you can really seperate the “role players” and the “lifestylers” or would you agree that the two should be one in the same?
[20:03] Des (DespoinaNatasa): done
[20:03] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): done

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[20:05] Gorm Runo: great question. I think the future of SL is the creation of a world where there really is no separation. And I know it is possible, because I have seen it work. The distinction is only between what you think and feel when you are not in SL, and it shouldn’t be how you behave when you are in SL.
[20:06] Gorm Runo: in other word,s,,,, a role player might log off and be one thing, and a lifestyler might log off and be another, but here they are just Second Life Goreans
[20:06] Gorm Runo: I know we are a long way from that goal , but that is the goal
[20:06] Gorm Runo: ok,bee? rhiannon?
[20:06] Des (DespoinaNatasa): giggles, i think and feel what my Master would want me to think and feel…. and also that one should always tell Him when things happen in rl that could affect her in sl right away

[20:07] bee (beaDumbledore): For me, I’d like more emphasis on slave behavior and expectations, i.e., the respect shown to the Free, how to speak and when and tone. Those kinds of things. How to really feel as a slave and behave accordingly .. or why have we chosen this role? I love how you are starting, Master. It is Clear and simple. It’s the guidance and focus we need as slaves. And those are such high standards, I promise to accept my corrections respectfully and gratefully. Done!
[20:07] Gorm Runo: smiles

[20:07] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) “Thank you, Master. If the lifestyle slaves have it easier, it is because reality dictates, emotions enter in… however, girl doesn’t think that it is unattainable either. i get into trouble way more in real life then i do here in second life as a slave because emotions are evident. If punishment is dealt out, consistent rules laid out for a girl to follow, it does make it actually easier to please though, to be docile, and fully pleasing. It also… the strictness i mean, helps alleviate emotional outbursts even. Consistency in all things would be the key to keeping the slave behaving like a slave from the books. she thinks. Done.” i rambled … sighs.

[20:08] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): @
[20:08] Gorm Runo: ok,,,we are at one hour.
[20:08] Gorm Runo: toki, final comment
[20:09] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): may this girl please be excused?
[20:10] Gorm Runo: good final comment
[20:10] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside) saves the notes and passes out to those present for future reading…
[20:10] Gorm Runo: yes, you may
[20:10] Des (DespoinaNatasa) giggles
[20:10] Gorm Runo: in fact, everyone is excused

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slave Protocol – class two

The second part in the series of slave protocol and expectations.  Master Gorm Runo is offering these classes every Monday at 7pm in second life in the Village of Tosar.  All are welcome to come and participate:


I wanted to start of today by discussing a couple of terms we will be using and get a clearer definition of them, so as to avoid confusion later on.

——RULE DEFINITION——–

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First, we are going to speak of rules and protocols and how they differ.  When there is a rule, it generally is very clear and very specific. It does not leave a lot of room for interpretation.  If it does, it is not a very good rule.

——PROTOCOL DEFINITION——–

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A protocol differs from the rule because it is a standard of behavior that is a bit flexible.
It is designed to give you tools to deal with unusual situations, or to situations where the rules do not apply.

I have always considered the understanding of protocols to be one of the defining characteristics of the Gorean Kajira.  It is almost to the level of an art form ,,,a skill that requires many traits unique to slave girls.  And it requires intelligence, and common sense, and good instincts. All qualities that Gorean slavers would be searching for in potential Earth girls to abduct and enslave in Gor.

——-NO IC/OOC————-

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Now, for the purposes of these classes, the House of Runo’s official position is that there is no OOC/IC  Our blog and our handouts stress this point.  Of course, those two things are not as simple as some make them.  So, to be clear.  We understand that there is very likely an OOC stage to most Second Life Gorean slave girls, but it exists outside of Second Life.  After you log out,,,it is like a different world.  Perhaps, but the standard here is consistent adherence to the role you have chosen.

—— Q&A ——-
Does any one have any questions on that? Perhaps, it is best they be asked before we proceed.
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
Gorm Runo: Ok, but to be clear. the role you have chosen in Second Life Gor is a separate matter than talking about non role play real life issues. For example, if I am talking to the Administrator , about the Rockies baseball game on Earth tonight, that is not the OOC I am speaking of.
Gorm Runo: go ahead rhiannon
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): typing that out and clarifying as well thank you, Master.
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): Was simply going to ask for clarification …
Gorm Runo: so, I am still me, and he is still the Administrator of this village, and we relate that way regardless of topic.
TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
Gorm Runo: so, when we talk of Earth things, girls, you do it as kajira speaking to a Master
Gorm Runo: go ahead , tabi
[ rhiannon (rhiannon0327): yes, Master, and as a slave girl i don’t go to the Master Admin and attempt to tell him how to do his job … even though i may run a company on Earth and know how to organize things well or something .. here, i am a slave .. period.
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): done*
Gorm Runo: nods to rhiannon
TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): So if I wanted to talk to you about, let’s say something that happened while at work in real life, but I do it here in second life, I would still do it in such a way that I am a slave talking to her Master. That’s what you mean, right Master?
Gorm Runo: yes, tabi, exactly.
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): frowns … @
Gorm Runo: yes, rhiannon
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): Wouldn’t that be something that you would only do in say .. a “family group” or something though Master? i mean .. wouldn’t that be in a very low protocol situation? That you should even bring up that sort of stuff anyways?
(rhiannon0327): done*
Gorm Runo: don’t jump ahead, rhiannon
Gorm Runo: smiles
TABI (Xtabi Galaxy) giggles
rhiannon (rhiannon0327): blushes, “yes, Master.”.

——–HIGH & NORMAL PROTOCOL ——–

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Ok,,,now we move to protocol and how that relates to what I have been saying.  Although there are as many variations of this as there are Masters, we will start simply with two.
I hate to call one “low protocol”, so I won’t  We have High Protocol, and Normal Protocol.
****This is important.****

There is a minimum standard of kajira behavior that applies regardless of level of protocol.  These are the basic things you are taught  – absolute obedience and exquisite beauty.   The grace, beauty, femininity,sexuality,service of a kajira does not really change when you move from protocol to protocol.  It is a constant standard.  So, the House of Runo recognizes two standards of protocol in Second Life Gor.

The normal protocol is more relaxed, less formal. Lets consider the matter of speech. The Gorean reality is that slave girls do not speak unless given permission.  However, it is a given that most Gorean Masters would give his slaves blanket permission to speak in normal protocol situations. They would understand they have it, and rather than grant it every time, he might restrict it if he wishes, with a “hush, girl.”

Using that criteria, what protocol are we in right now? any girl can answer.
[19:27] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): high protocol, Master?

Exactly.  None of you feel free to just speak out without permission in this class.  You shifted into a high protocol because you have common sense.  Likewise, ,,if we are in the tharl starting gate getting ready for a practice run,,,what is the speech protocol?
[19:29] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): Normal, Master.
[19:29] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): normal, Master
[19:29] Gorm Runo: thank you, rhiannon
[19:29] Gorm Runo: and tiggy

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Ok,,,now another example. I bring five of you to the city of Besnit for a visit. I am leading you through the streets of the city and we are talking about the build, and this and that. It is obvious that the protocol is normal, and girls are chatting freely, and then we round the corner, and bump into a Warrior of the City. I should need little more than a wave of my hand, if even that, for all five girls to instantly recognize the need to up the protocol to High and recognize they do not have permission to speak unless it is given.

[19:33] Gorm Runo: is that example perfectly clear to all of you?
[19:33] bee (beaDumbledore): yes, Master
[19:33] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Yes, Master
[19:33] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): yes, Master.
[19:33] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Yes, Master
[19:33] lilDevil (RachPerfferle2): yes Master
[19:33] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): yes, Master
[19:33] deka (andie35): @
[19:33] Yvaa: yes Master
[19:33] Dιdo (SeasidePurcell): Yes, Master
[19:33] Gorm Runo: yes, deka
[19:33] deka (andie35): yes Master
[19:33] Gorm Runo: ahh
[19:34] Gorm Runo: ok
[19:34] Gorm Runo: smiles

Ok,,,now,,,some of you might be thinking. wow, that is not always going to be easy. To read the situation and always get the protocol right.  It would be nice if Master turned around and said. “Ok, girls, high protocol now”, but, I think you all would agree, I would look much better if the five girls snapped into with a wave of my hand, while I dealt with the warrior.
[19:36] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:36] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) nods nods

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—-Q&A’s—-
[19:36] Gorm Runo: yes, tabi
[19:36] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): In the almost 6 years i’ve been with you, Master, there have been a few times when it wasn’t very clear if it should be normal or high protocol, but I have to say in each of those times you did make it clear to us in one way or another.
[19:37] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): and honestly, those have been only a few times where it was unclear. Most times it’s very clear which protocol should be in effect. Done Master
[19:37] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:38] Gorm Runo: I think that good slaves learn to read signals, body language, tone of voice, to get better handles on it, too. And I confess that I am bad because I tend to tease and that muddles the readings, but I do try to show control with as little outward flourish as possible. Men that do that impress me, so I expect it impresses others when I do it
[19:38] deka (andie35): @
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[19:39] Gorm Runo: yes, rhiannon
[19:39] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): Thank you, Master.
[19:40] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): In the two years i have been yours i have been un-nerved by what i felt to be low protocol all the time ….was trained to be in High protocol all the time until told otherwise by the free .. would you say that at the HOR you feel it should be normal protocol all the time unless directed? And what exactly do you consider to be high protocol then please, Master?
[19:42] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): i can name things that to mean is simply .. kajira protocols … or standards of behavior … but, am not sure they would match up with yours …
[19:42] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): done*
[19:42] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): to me are simply *
[19:43] Gorm Runo: rhiannon, obviously, I can not give an answer to that question tonight. It is what these four whole classes are to answer. So, far we are addressing speech and permission for it.
[19:44] Gorm Runo: and it would seem to me that we would spend a lot more time in normal protocol here in second life Gor than high protocol. A village, or estate like Caer Cadarn would never get anything done if the slaves speech was high protocol all the time
[19:44] Gorm Runo: it is just more normal to be normal here in SL. but, that does not mean there are not high times, and we do need more of them. To impress slavery if no other reason
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[19:45] Gorm Runo: go ahead, deka
[19:45] deka (andie35): so Mster as we are going thrugh the streets of some city
[19:45] deka (andie35): and we encounter a first girl
[19:45] deka (andie35): as many has obviouly butilt sictys
[19:45] deka (andie35): built citys
[19:46] deka (andie35): in gor
[19:46] deka (andie35): wahat would be the protocol
[19:46] deka (andie35): treat as normal slave
[19:46] deka (andie35): disrecepect
[19:46] deka (andie35): degailb
[19:47] deka (andie35): how Master
[19:49] Gorm Runo: well, I think that would depend on the situation. deka, if you are with me, you are going into high protocol because you are going to let me deal with the girl, so you would not speak. If I am not with you,,,you would certainly treat her with respect, and with high protocol behavior , if you recognize her as a “First girl”

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[19:49] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:49] deka (andie35): ty Master
[19:49] Gorm Runo: ok, tabi
[19:50] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): So my understanding Master, is that if we are alone walking through the city we can be in normal protocol, but as soon as citizens of the city are within earshot we snap into High Protocol, is that correct?
[19:50] Gorm Runo: exactly, tabi,
[19:50] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Thank you Master.

—TIMING & PRESENTATION—-

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ok,,, now, here is something that you all must understand above anything else.  Slavery is body control, behavior control, exploitation even to some degree, but it is not brainwashing or mind control.  The very idea is against everything even the books were saying about slaves, and there are many quotes ot back that up.  Why would we want intelligent girls if we were going to tell them how to behave?

So, make this separation.  The tools of being able to think and express your own thoughts as a slave are????
[19:53] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:53] Gorm Runo: go tabi
[19:53] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Timing and Presentation, Master

[19:53] Gorm Runo: timing and presentation.  And it is pretty easy to see the connection between timing and presentation and normal and high protocol.  In high protocol, talking to rhiannons questions earlier, it is usually not a good time for expressing opinions, and taking radical stances. It is a time when a slave girl is “obscene and not heard” as the Gorean say.   It is a time of much more deference to the Masters and much more biting of lips, and holding of tongues.  Timing and high protocol behavior are closely related

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And of course, presentation is a constant across the protocol spectrum. when is it a “right time” for a slave to be a bitch? or speak in an unpleasing manner? or be crude and nasty rather than graceful and soft spoken?
[19:58] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): never!
[19:59] Gorm Runo: smiles
[19:59] Toki (FiFi Darkfury): opps\\
[19:59] deka (andie35): smiles
[19:59] Gorm Runo: correct
[19:59] GeneChico tugs on the leash hard

[19:59] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): @
[19:59] Gorm Runo: yes, thais
[20:00] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Master, often in the books slaves are very harsh with each other, and competitive. Do you think that manner extends to when slaves are interacting only with each other, out of range of the frees?
[20:00] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): #done
[20:02] Gorm Runo: yeah,,,that is a interesting protocol switch. I have learned through experience that slave girls, heck, females, fighting among themselves is something that chills the blood of most Men.
[20:03] Gorm Runo: but, the protocol is this. you can be pulling each other’s hair out when alone, but when Master walks in, it better jump to high protocol fast and you kneel with big smiles and grins, like good little sissies, until he leaves again.
[20:04] Gorm Runo: and in most of the book examples, the behavior went on under the radar at least, if not out of the sight of Masters

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[20:04] Gorm Runo: deka, go ahead
[20:04] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Thank you Master.
[20:04] deka (andie35): smiles at thais comment and you anwered perfect Master
[20:05] deka (andie35): not expect to be my frined with push of button
[20:05] Gorm Runo: ok,,it is past the hours
[20:05] Gorm Runo: we should stop
[20:05] Gorm Runo: I think we made progress
[20:06] Gorm Runo: and laid a foundation
[20:06] Gorm Runo: rhiannon wants rules and specifics, and she will get them now, but we all needed to be on the same page with terms.
[20:07] Gorm Runo: smiles
[20:07] Gorm Runo: ok,,,class is dismissed for tonight.
[20:07] – Ϯɪɢɢƴ – (Kel Blindside): stops writing and saves the notes… ready to hand out for all..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slave Protocol – Class 1

This is the first in a series of 5-6 classes that will be taught by Master Gorm Runo.  The topics will cover slave protocols and what Masters expect of slaves.  They are held in the Village of Tosar on Monday’s at 7pm in Second Life.  All are welcome to come and participate.

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Well, it is right on the hour so, we should begin.

Actually, theses classes were requested by slave girls who were uncertain of protocols, and rules, and expectations.   They thought such were too inconsistent, and not clearly defined, within the House of Runo, and the villages and towns where the House operates and does business.  So, we will attempt to fix that and find some clarity.

In the book, Assassins of Gor, the training of three girls to be sold on the block in Ar as pleasure slaves, conducted in the Slave House of Cernus  begins with a discussion of the philosophical and historical story of slavery on Earth.  So, it makes sense to begin this series with a short review of what Gorean slavery means and why we practice it in Second Life Gor.

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Goreans believe that we are not totally creatures of our immediate environment.  They know that we are the result of millions of years of successful evolution.  This word, successful, is what is important.  When we begin, we were not up very high on the food chain and we developed a Male/female dynamic that enabled us to become the dominant species on the planet.  And now many people think that we can ignore this and develop something totally different to define Male/female dynamics.  So, John Norman created an alternative world for us to consider.

He took both genders to the extreme. Way past even the evoluntionary truths, to absolute, total, legal slavery.  Men were now expected to no longer be wussies, and feed like pigs from a trough. and females were expected to be property, owned, animals, if you will.

When we began to gather together on the internet to practice this, role play it, recreate it, have fun with it, whatever our reasons for coming we gathered consensually. changing that major paradigm of Gor. And Second Life Gorean slavery was born.

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A paradox, to add to many of the paradoxes of Gor.  Consensual slavery.   An oxymoron.
But, to our surprise, it actually worked and it made sense.  It opened up a doorway to what might be one of the most natural and highest evolved relationship between Males and females.  But, it would only be that, if it were done right.

Here inside Second Life Gor, there is , and has to be, what is called a “consensual gateway”  That means that a slave girl has two free choices, this is the consensuality part.
She choses to be a slave girl and she can chose to stop being one and go away forever.

So, in the classes that follow, we will talk about the things that are expected, no demanded, of any girl who passes through that gateway. And if she does not maintain those standards, she will face punishment.  That is the slavery part.

A good friend of mine, a slave girl named ladina, taught these classes using the concept, “its not about you.”  And she used examples and stories to show how hard it was for slaves to adjust to the idea that it is not about you.  This is a concept called, “vector”

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But, of course, girls will ask, “whats in it for me?” Because casting off that beast of self interest and self preservation is no easy thing.  It was easy in the books, and easy in role play sometimes.  But, it is not easy to always think, “its not about me.”

So, one time, I will speak about what is in it for you.  Or as rhiannon called it earlier, “the warm and fuzzy feelings” that supposedly all females need to feel.

The dynamic , when it works right, works like this. The slave is here to serve, she submits, she vectors outward for others, and by doing so , she becomes the most valuable and prized of females.  She is protected, loved, guarded, and encouraged to blossom by Men who certainly are smart enough to appreciate what it means to have a female at their feet.  And more important, the submission can only come from true dominance. Gorean men , we are told breathed it in with the very air.

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But, Masters in Second Life have to prove it every day , they are bound by codes and rules, and standards, that are way, way higher than the boys of Earth just like you girls are held to higher standards then the dumb cunts of Earth.  So, you get what the books say girls need. Men. who act like Men, and know how to treat you to keep fires burning inside you.

This is what’s in it for you, if you chose to pass through that gateway. And if you learn to do it right, and find Men that understand it , too.


Class Discussion

[19:24] Gorm Runo: Ok,,,lets take a break, and see if anyone has a comment up to now, or a question. we will use the campus system, to keep order, ,,type @
[19:25] Gorm Runo: and say done.
[19:25] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:25] Gorm Runo: ok, tabi, go ahead.
[19:26] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): So what does a girl do, Master, if the Master she is with no longer feeds her fires? How can a girl continue to serve when she receives nothing in return? Is it expected that she still continue to serve and has no right to expect anything in return? And if soe, then how does a girl keep those fires lit… I mean, if there is no Master that is lighting them for her. If the Master doesn’t hold up his end of the bargain?
[19:26] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): For example the girl who is struggling and is trying to serve yet feels almost like it’s useless because no one is going to notice or appreciate it anyway. The girl who is losing those fires to serve and be a slave… what can she do?
[19:26] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): done, Master
[19:27] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): and sorry… it was a bunch of questions, but they are kind of related.
[19:28] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): @
[19:29] Gorm Runo: I think tabi that they can be lumped into a single point. I mentioned that things have to be done right for this dynamic to work right. You can’t be half way or just dipping a foot into it. So, your examples show it not working, the dynamic not firing as it should. I think it is establishing the protocols and such that we are doing is a first step.
[19:29] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): @
[19:30] Gorm Runo: Because sadly, but true, the girl has the burden here, because of vector. The first question is going to be asked, “is she serving as she should.” Because if the answer is no, rarely do we move on to discuss the shortcomings of the Master.

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[19:30] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy) mutters softly under her breath
[19:30] Gorm Runo: I know that does not sound fair. but that is one of the unfair dynamics and realities of Gor
[19:32] Gorm Runo: but, if the girl is a shining star on the shores of Thassa, it is really now on the asshole who can’t handle her, and maybe the Men of Gor should take some action. I am not saying that we do not need to be raising the Male standard , too.
[19:32] Marcus Coffeius (MarkyMarcus): @
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[19:32] Gorm Runo: thais
[19:32] Gorm Runo: you were next
[19:32] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Master, in the books, I know that Masters began to prize their slaves greatly, but they also took strong and even severe measures to make sure that they never forgot their place. What kind of indicators might you see in SL Gorean slaves that they have perhaps forgotten their place? What are the behaviours that we should be watching for in ourselves? #done
[19:33] Gorm Runo: Well, thais, I hope we get more into detail on just what those indicators are in the coming classes, but lets take the first one from tonight. “Ask the vector question.”
[19:34] Gorm Runo: I would guess fifty percent of misunderstanding and unhappiness of slaves comes from the wrong answer to that question. Is it about me, or the one I am here to serve.”
[19:35] Gorm Runo: if nothing else , it clears the air, and gets the focus on more important issues.
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[19:35] Gorm Runo: rhiannon, go ahead
[19:35] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): Thank you, Master. Vector, … this one understands where tabi is coming from, a discussion you and i had today really put it in perspective for me though. It was something i spoke of myself when attempting to speak of what i felt it mean to be kajira … to let go of intrinsic parts of yourself in order to learn anothers way of doing things and accept them .. to learn to be happy in pleasing him … a common thing that we slaves yearn to grasp fully …. And, yes rambling as i tend to do here but also .. you mentioned that a slave girl receives love. That she is protected, loved, guarded and so on … this is the first time that i have heard that a Master must love the slave or that is what she will receive .. i know it is something that the slave girls feel and wish for of course .. most of them i think .. however .. she tends to think that to truly surrender to a man that a girl must love him .. however, for that man to master her, he doesn’t have to love her, that is something that has been drummed
[19:35] rhiannon (rhiannon0327): into her silly head for years … and wonders your thoughts on the whole love thing….
[19:37] Gorm Runo: I think I had a good perspective on the love thing in Gor from the start.
[19:37] Gorm Runo: We understand it to be a perk for a slave girl. A nice one, and a very common one.
[19:37] Gorm Runo: I put it this way. There is a female serving me with grace and beauty, loyalty,
[19:39] Gorm Runo: she is the perfect female. How could I not grow to love her? Is love simply some kind of chemical thing over which we have no control? Or do we love our slave girls because they represent the epitome of female sensuality and that is hard not to love.
[19:39] Gorm Runo: but, there is purity to it
[19:40] Gorm Runo: We don’t have to “love” her, to get pussy, or not be nagged, or have to say it just to keep her happy. If we feel it, it is totally pure and real.
[19:40] Dιdo (SeasidePurcell) eats up Master Gorm’s words like juicy larma fruit!
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[19:40] Gorm Runo: Marcus, you had a comment.
[19:40] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) nips bottom lip tapping the tip of the ink stained quill to her chin … “yes, Master, thank you.”
[19:40] Marcus Coffeius (MarkyMarcus): Regarding TABI’s questioning, communication is a fundamental of any good relationship. The unfulfilled slave should bring this point up to her Master with the respect and deference due him, and wonder out loud how she could be more pleasing and hope to better engage his attention and passion for dominance. I cannot speak for other men here but this is how I’d hope my property would respond to being unfulfilled.

Timing and presentation

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[19:43] Gorm Runo: ah,,,that is a good time to move into my closing remarks tonight.
[19:43] Gorm Runo: I expect tabi and rhiannon to fall asleep, as they have heard it a million times.
[19:44] Gorm Runo: But, Goreans made it clear they did not want robots, or Stepford Wives, or Cookie Cutter girls, or doormats.
[19:44] Gorm Runo: they selected on earth, like we do in SL Gor, for intelligent spirited females with talents and opinions.
[19:45] Gorm Runo: however, they insisted on two things always in the behavior of their slaves
[19:45] Gorm Runo: timing
[19:45] Gorm Runo: and presentation.
[19:45] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) hears these words in her sleep …
[19:46] Gorm Runo: slaves were actually free, and certainly are here in SL, to think and believe anything they wish, and should get a chance to express it.
[19:46] Gorm Runo: But, at the right time ,,,and in the right way.
[19:46] Gorm Runo: that is a basic rule that every girl should understand.
[19:46] Gorm Runo: smiles
[19:48] Gorm Runo: my example , always is a girl has a deep soul searing question about philosophy, and the Master wants her in the furs , legs spread. Perhaps, this is not the right time? Maybe an hour later when he pulls her contented into his arms, and says, “whats on your mind, little slave girl? might be better timing.
[19:49] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): @
[19:49] Gorm Runo: and presentation might even mean learning how to call me an asshole without actually saying,,,”you know, Master, you are an asshole.”
[19:49] Gorm Runo: even if it is the truth
[19:49] Gorm Runo: laughs
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[19:49] Gorm Runo: go ahead, tabi
[19:50] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) presses lips together eyes sparkling at the asshole comment ….
[19:50] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): Perhaps we can cover this in another class, but I have never understood why a slave is expected to exert all this self control while the Master can’t seem to control himself or is even expected to. I always thought the Master was supposed to Master himself before he could Master the girl, yet it seems the majority of the pressure is put on the girl to control herself so the Master can control himself or something like that.
[19:50] TABI (Xtabi Galaxy): done, Master
[19:53] Marcus Coffeius (MarkyMarcus): Excuse me everyone. Great class Gorm
[19:53] Gorm Runo: sort of asking why should a slave placate a furious Master, after all isn’t he Master enough to control the raging animal beast inside him or something.
[19:53] Gorm Runo: I wish you well, Marcus
[19:55] Gorm Runo: well, tabi, I think that falls back on the idea that it isn’t going to work if it isn’t done right. and I don’t think Masters are excused for not controlling themselves. We are, as I said, bound by codes and standards of behavior that are much higher than you can imagine. But, those are not what the classes are about either. We need to talk about what your rules and codes and standards are. I talk more about ours on Thursdays
[19:56] Gorm Runo: and there is an old Gorean saying
[19:56] Gorm Runo: that I think is true

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[19:57] Gorm Runo: The more a female acts like a female , the more a Man acts like a Man, which causes the female to be more female, which causes,,,etc. etc.
[19:57] Gorm Runo: this is the dynamic we seek
[19:58] Gorm Runo: and to argue what comes first to get it started isn’t the right approach. We each, Masters, and slaves must go first, and get it started. Us by being Men,,,you girls by being female.
[19:59] Gorm Runo: As we talk of your rules, though, tabi, we will show how they match ours, too.
[19:59] Gorm Runo: Ok, it is an hour
[19:59] Gorm Runo: we can stop here for tonight
[19:59] Gorm Runo: thank you all for the comments and attention
[19:59] Dιdo (SeasidePurcell) wishes the class would continue.
[19:59] GeneChico: Great Class Gorm, Thank you!
[19:59] Gorm Runo: remember, timing, presentation, vector. three important ideas.
[19:59] Thaïs (LauraTarnsman): Thank you, Master.
[20:00] GoodOleCharlie: Very interesting view on Things, Rumo – my compliments
[20:00] Gorm Runo: ahh, thank you, Administrator, glad you could stop by
[20:00] Dιdo (SeasidePurcell): Master Gorm, thank you for such an informative class!
[20:00] Ava Wolf (RuthAnneMcgee): Thank you for offering such a great class, Master.
[20:00] GeneChico nods, be well Gorm
[20:00] GoodOleCharlie: Saf Paths, Form!
[20:00] rhiannon (rhiannon0327) offers humbly, “Thank you Master for allowing this one of yours to attend and for allowing her to offer her comments, ask her questions and for your answers …. ”
[20:01] Gorm Runo: I wish you well, Administrator
[20:01] GeneChico looks over all the beautiful girls

 

 

 

 

Six Week Slave Course by Master Gorm

For the past few months slave classes have been offered by Rhiannon, slave of Master Gorm.  These classes have been held in the village of Tosar in Second Life.  The classes have been excellent with great material offered and many slaves have benefitted from these classes.

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Now, for the next 6 weeks, Master Gorm Runo has agreed to offer up classes on topics related to Gorean slavery from a Master’s point of view.  Instruction will include such topics as “What is expected from a Gorean slave”, “How to handle jealousy”, What are the different types of slaves, why do they differ and how do their roles differ” among many other topics.

Master Gorm Runo has been a gorean philosopher and teacher for many years.  His classes are always insightful and informational.  Not only has he been a philosopher and teacher for many years, but Master Gorm has also successfully run a large slave house within Second Life Gor for just as long.

 

All are invited to attend these classes.  Learn from one of the best teachers, philosophers and slavers.  Find out what it is that Masters truly expect in their slaves and why they have those expectations.

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The classes will be held every Monday starting June 5, 2017 at the Village of Tosar at 7pm SLT.  We hope to see you there.  Come ready to learn and discuss!