A House In Which We Could Not Live?

The Gorean Compass is a class given every Thursday by Master Gorm Runo.  Classes are held at the Gorean Campus and are given at noon and 6pm SLT.  All are encouraged to come and join in the amazing discussions. This class was held on December 6, 2018


Tal and greetings,

When I first began this seminar, I called it the Philosophy of Second Life Gor. This was done to try to keep my focus on the Community that was developing in Second Life, and the people who would be likely to attend the seminar in the first place. We were lucky, in our early days, to have people with enough time and motivation to create detailed breakdowns on what John Norman had painted into his fictional world. Luther’s Scrolls went into incredible detail, and there were web sites that have served for years as a rich source of information and trivia. Other Men gave thought to the symbolism and the underlying message and created beautiful essays that still make almost every lover of Gor nod and say, “that’s it exactly.”

However, something strange happened. It was something no one could have predicted. Second Life gave us the ability to actually recreate the fictional world and make it real. For many years, a debate even raged about this. Is it real, or is it a game? There are still people around who say, “in game” to mean logged into Second Life. But, that argument is over now, and has been for a long time. Second Life Gor is real now, and as a real thing, it has the power to impact us in either a positive or a negative way.
Even those who rather blindly stumble into it and think it is kinky, but cool, and begin to role play it out like some great final fantasy adventure, or World of Warcraft quest, are often drawn into it deeper than they ever expected, because it is also the big kids playground, and some serious emotional and biological issues were going to be exposed. For years, we have watched people come to play, and get addicted and drawn into things they would never have imagined. We have seen people leave, and then come back, as if drawn by some unseen magnetic force.
We have suggested in this seminar that Gorean role play should carry a warning label like a pack of cigarettes.
So, if this world of Second Life Gor was real, and we knew it wasn’t really the fictional world that was, well, fictional, it seemed we needed to study it separately from the book world. The books would give us clues and guidance, but they couldn’t be a user manual in the purest sense. It was going to be necessary to explore what was the same, and what was different between Fictional Gor, and Second Life Gor.
When I was doing my radio show this week, I picked up a book to read some random passages, and ended up with Tribesmen of Gor. I wanted to use this whole quote today, so that even if you heard me read it on the air, you can read it slowly now and think about what it said.
…indeed, femaleness in a woman of Earth, as I recalled, was societally discouraged, it complicating the politically expedient neuter like relationships valuable in a technologically sophisticated social structure, to which sexual relationships were irrelevant, if not inimical. Western industrialized societies on Earth optimally would be manned by metal creatures, sexless, smoothly functioning, programmed to tend, preserve and replicate the metal society. Man, on Earth, had finally succeeded, after long centuries, in creating a society in which he had no essential place; he had, at last, built a house in which he could not live, in which he had left not one room suitable for human habitation; he called it a home; in it he was a stranger; his habitat, by his own efforts, became inhospitable to himself; his efficiencies, his machines, his institutions, in his hands, had at last succeeded in evicting himself from his own realities; women were shamed to be women; men terrified of listening to their blood, and being men; in their plastic cubicles, amidst the hum of their machineries, men at night squirmed and wept, hating themselves, castigating themselves for not meeting the standards of a world alien to their sensate truths; let robots weep for not being men, not men weep for not being robots; the strong, the fine, the mighty, is not wicked; only the vile and small, incapable of power, speak it so; but there was little hope for the men of Earth; they feared to listen, for they might hear ancient drums.

Tribesmen of Gor, page 10

I was very strongly struck by this passage. “he had, at last, built a house in which he could not live.”

I told the story during that show, of how I had been given a cardboard box containing a dozen paperbacks as a going away present by my young nephew, who was leaving for the navy. The books were books 1-12 of the Gor series, and that was the first time I had ever heard of them. I did not mention that I met with my nephew years later, and asked him why he had given me the books that day, and he said he thought I was the kind of man who would understand them. Perhaps, one of the best compliments I have ever received. But, after I read those books, and set them aside, my ex-wife, affectionately known as “demon spawn from hell” threw them away because of their trashy covers. I had no idea that the internet was going to be coming along, and I was going to be drawn into a recreation of the world of those “trashy” novels.

If we had known, back twenty years ago, that such a thing as Second Life would exist and we could do the wonderful things we do here, we could have built the house a bit different. In those first books was a clear message, and it was meant for men to hear. The fantasy was clear all the way back to when it was a bedroom fantasy in John Norman’s “Imaginative Sex.” Women, shamed on Earth to be women, would escape to an alien world where real men lived. These men would liberate the females, by enslaving them, and forcing them to be female. It would be easy pesy to do because they were “Real Men.”

I suggested that if we had known what was going to happen because of the internet, we would have held a meeting and developed a plan for how we were going to build the Gorean House. The first step was obvious. We needed to start working to develop real men. We should have set up online Gor, and banned women from it for the first eight years or so. All of our efforts, all our attention would be on shaking off the guilt and conditioning of Earth and becoming something better, stronger, more confident, more masculine, more proud.

Then, we could have taken the bars off the door and let in the girls.

It was scary to me, reading that passage. It said man had succeeded, “after long centuries” to mess society up Have we messed up in just two short decades? Did we bring so much baggage with us when we came that this house is going to be the same as the real life house?

I don’t think so at all. On either front. John Norman was not making a prophecy of doom. He was pointing out that there could be an alternative way. It was a warning. A warning that is needed more today than when he wrote it thirty years ago. The House is getting worse and worse on Earth, but it is not hopeless at all. Human history is a constant struggle and if you study it, you see the pattern. Two steps forward, a big step backward, and then stepping forward again.

Second Life Gor is the same. We have done an incredible amount of things wrong. We have failed to get it over and over. But, we have accomplished miracles. We have a vibrant community that spans the globe, and we are still here fighting to get it right. We didn’t start out with a crew of strong confident Gorean men, we had to birth and develop them as we went along. We weren’t ready for the influx of frustrated females looking for something different, and so they had to be patient, and sometimes hurt and disappointed while we went through the growing pains.

The House is not finished yet. All the rooms are not complete, but it is a place where we can live. There is no reason for excessive doom saying. The last twenty years of online Gor have been like a road trip where you somehow wander off the interstate and travel endless back roads and detours before you finally get where you are going. We didn’t go the best way, and we weren’t sure most of the time where we were going in the first place, but damn, if we have not arrived at a nice destination.

Second Life Gor seems to be gaining some momentum now. This Campus is one example. There was an expression down on Earth where a company was said to be “too big to fail.” Second Life Gor is too big to fail now. When the Campus faced a crisis that a few years ago would have ended it, people stepped up and kept it going. We are too big to fail now.

So, this seminar, after the new year, will continue to explore Second Life Gor, and what it means, and how it works, and could work, and even should work. Hopefully, we will continue to tear out the bad rooms and remodel them to a higher vision of how human society should be structured, and how human beings can find fulfillment and happiness.

Maybe all this can ever be is an escape; an escape from the plastic cubicles and hum of machinery, but if that is all it is, we have to make sure it is a valid escape and not just more of the same. We need to make this experience and our time here, exceptional.

It Is Better When We Work Together

The Gorean Compass is a class given every Thursday by Master Gorm Runo.  Classes are held at the Gorean Campus and are given at noon and 6pm SLT.  All are encouraged to come and join in the amazing discussions. This class was held on November 29, 2018


Tal and greetings,

Today, I am going to present another rather long quote from the books. This one comes from Dancer of Gor. Dancer of Gor is the 22nd book of the series, and the fourth of what were called the “slave girl” books. When I used to discuss the early books, I would talk of how the four slave girl books are sort of a progression through the idea of Gorean slavery. Captives of Gor was like elementary school, Slave Girl of Gor was high school, and Kajira of Gor was college. That meant that Dancer of Gor would be the graduate study book of slavery.

Interestingly, all four books end up with the slave girl finding her true Master and true love. It was not the ending that made Captive different from Dancer, but rather the journey itself. In each book, the journey became more and more harsh and difficult. In Dancer, the girl Doreen’s path to her true love is not an easy one, and she experiences a much harsher slavery and endures much hardship along the way to the happy ending.

The part I will share today takes place right after Doreen’s arrival on Gor. She has been brought there in a shipment of 100 girls that have been kidnapped by a group of slavers working under Teibar of Ar. It is interesting that Teibar is a Gorean who spends time on Earth as an agent of slavers, selecting and kidnapping potential slaves. Since he has been forced to live among inferior Earthlings, he has come to some observations about the nature of Earth society and the relationships between males and females on that planet. And he is not impressed. His anger is obvious to the girl. The scene begins on page 56.

“You seem to hate me,” I said.
“Yes,” he said. “I do.”
“Why?” I asked.

“You are a modern woman,” he said, ‘and, as such, you represent a perversion of humanity, a pernicious and wanton perversion. one maliciously deleterious to the centralities of human sexuality, both of the male and the female, and thus one literally inimical not only to the quality but, ultimately, to the very future of the human species.”
I looked at him, startled.

“You are a modern woman,” he said, “and would destroy men.”
“No!” I said.

“But you will not, I assure you.” he said, “destroy men here, Modern Woman. Here, rather, you will serve them fully, and fearfully, and delectably, and to the utmost of your abilities.”

“I am not a modern woman,” I said. “I have never, in my heart, been a modern woman. In my heart I am a primitive woman, one who has been bred upon from the time of caves, an ancient woman, a Medieval woman, a Nineteen-century woman, a natural woman, a needful, loving woman! I was as alien, and sorrowful, and lost, and miserable, in my world as you were!”

“Liar!” he cried. He snapped the whip in fury, and I shrank back, startled by its sound and threat, before him. “You are so clever, you lying slut.!” he hissed. “You are so quick, so cunning, so dangerous!”

“Please,” I said.
“But I see through your tiny tricks!”

“Why do you think I am a modern woman, in some sense you despise,” I asked, “because I can speak clearly, because I can think, because I have read a book? Do you not think that true women, loving, needful women, can do these things? Do you not think that what you can love, they, too, can love?”

——–And a little bit later———

“What do you think of the men of your world?” he asked.

“I despise them! They are weaklings!” I cried suddenly. “They deserve to have us take their world from them, to be thrust aside with words and writs, to be superseded by contrived loyalities, to be relegated by statutes and slogans to the peripheries of power, to become trammeled, and crippled, and incapable of action, like tied sheep, bleating contentedly, as they are advised, as they are castrated, to become nothing, to be deprived of their pride and strength, and thus even of the potentiality of their unused manhood, to take our orders, to obey us!”

“Your position, I take it,” he said, ” is motivated by your hatred, jealousy, and envy of men.”

“I do not think so,” I said. “I do not want to be a man. I want to be a woman. My anger, my frustration, is motivated, I think, not by their manhood, and that I am not a man, as seems to be the case universally with the woman you despise, if we can believe physicians in the matter, but rather by their lack of manhood, which denies me as well as them, which keeps me from being a full woman.”

page 56-58 Dancer of Gor

I think the reason I am so moved by this particular passage is the sense of common purpose here. There is more of a feeling of team effort here than in most of the similar passages. Both the Gorean man, and the Earth girl are disgusted and fearful of the state of male/female relationships on Earth.

It seems to me that there is a theory of the evolution of the human race that has become mainstream to a whole generation of “modern” men and woman in Western Earth society. This theory suggests that right in the very beginning, when mankind was emerging from the caves, and the issue of survival was still in doubt, let alone the ascension of Man into the dominant species on the planet, we messed it up, and got it wrong. A male/female dynamic was developed that was toxic and unfair. Apparently, if we had, right from the start, been woke enough to see how wrong we were, we would have started including women in positions of leadership, letting them join in the hunting and serving in the front lines with the warriors.

But, somehow or other, we did manage to survive with our messed up way of doing things, and were able to not only survive, but to prosper. Now, during a period of human history where there is less danger, more freedom, more opportunity, more equality of opportunity, and more leisure time than at any other time, a generation of pampered, spoiled, people have decided that we had it wrong all along, and we should change it. They even chide us for being so dense as to not easily see how wrong we were, and mock us for suggesting that their new enlightened way is not the perfectly natural and common sense way to behave.

Teibar, using John Norman’s annoying habit of having his characters speak rather simple ideas in highly pedantic language, says this is not good for the quality of human life, and even is dangerous to the future of our species.

I am impressed by Doreen’s defense of intelligence and education. She is not an idiot, and her reaction to the weakness of men is not a result of her being a bimbo who does not know any better. She suggests even that Teibar is missing the fact that a truly intelligent and educated female might agree with him, and feel the same frustration he is feeling.

This is what I mean by the “teamwork” element in this. Often times, we speak of confused women, not really understanding what they are missing, and why they are not fulfilled, coming to Gor to find the answers from Men who get it completely, and can be their vehicles to happiness and contentment. That is why even Second Life Gor has been filled with schools for slaves, and Masters have from the very beginning sat their asses on lofty thrones, looking down at the confused girls and imparting gems of wisdom.

Bullshit.

That is how it worked in the novels, for the most part. However, It is not the history of online Gor, and it is not the reality of Second Life Gor. There are no native born Goreans here. In some profiles we find back stories that tell of how we were born in the Tahari to a scribe and a Warrior, and were taught from an early age, etc. etc. That is fine to create role play, but it is not true either. We were born and raised, and educated, on Earth. We are the results of conditioning that is very, very strongly anti-Gor. Last night, in a discussion of these things, a girl suggested that the day would come when Linden Labs would be sued for allowing such an offensive thing as Goreans to operate freely on their platform despite the offense their ideas and very existence might cause to poor unsuspecting players.

I like that thought though. That we are a small group on the outside of the insanity of modern Earth culture. We are rebels against the foolishness we see on social media, and we are warriors fighting to bring some sense again to our relationships.

I know slavery is an extreme. Mastery is as well. We needed to go to the extremes, only because the world is spiraling off into the other extremes. The cry of Doreen’s frustration, and the anger of Teibar are all too real today. If we are going to pull ourselves back into balance, we need to match the extreme of insanity with an extreme of rationality.

That is my vision of Second Life Gor. It is a place where men and women are coming together to explore, not new, but old and time tested ways of viewing the human condition. It is a place where we are challenging and questioning our conditioning, our education, and our beliefs. It is a place where we are more free to address our weakness, and our anger, and our frustration. It is a place where we are trying to build a whole new world that has more of the positive things that brought us from the caves to this spot in history, and less of the things that are tearing the social fabric of our world apart.

And we can do it together, males and females, as a team.

That thought put a smile on my face today. That whatever happens, at least, we are in it together again, and not on opposite sides.

A Lobby Requirement For Slave Girls

The Gorean Compass is a class given every Thursday by Master Gorm Runo.  Classes are held at the Gorean Campus and are given at noon and 6pm SLT.  All are encouraged to come and join in the amazing discussions. This class was held on November 15, 2018


Tal and Greetings,

We are going to talk a bit more about slavery today, and suggest another “lobby” requirement for a slave girl. When we say lobby requirement, we are talking about those essential beliefs that qualify a person to claim they are Gorean and are separate from the thousands of variations and various interpretations that are possible.

I got my idea for this talk, oddly enough, from a day time television show that was on in the back ground while I was doing some cooking the other day. It was some sort of panel show, and a young woman was telling her story to the host. It appears that she was in a relationship with a controlling man. She finally got to the heart of the matter, and with a tear rolling down her cheek, and shame flushing her face for betraying her gender, she managed to blurt out this most horrible and damning of all statements.

“He makes me do things sometimes, that I don’t want to do.

The cameras moved to the audience that was reacting with shock and dismay. A man was making a woman doing something she didn’t want to do? The Horror! The audience was booing and shaking their fists at this outrage, and the host reached out, put a comforting hand on her shoulder, and shook his head sadly.

When I had stopped laughing, I went to the book shelf to find book 23, Renegades of Gor. I remembered a quote from that book that I had used before in a discussion about discipline, and was rather lucky to find it quickly. It is a rather long quote, but I will give it in its entirety today.

“Surely you fear the whip,” I said, “and the hazards of the collar?”
“The whip is good for us,” she said, “Perhaps it is hard for you to understand that, as you are not a woman. It makes our womanhood a hundred times more meaningful. The essential point here is not being whipped, of course, which hurts, but being subject to the whip and being truly subject to it. You see the distinction, I am sure. We know that men are by nature sovereign over us. That comprehension requires no great insight. Accordingly, men must the either fulfill their nature or deny it, and in denying their nature, deny us ours, for ours is a complement to theirs. Accordingly we despise men who surrender their natural sovereignty. Surely we would not be so stupid, would not be such weaklings and fools to do that, if we were men. It would be too valuable and glorious a thing to give up. Its surrender would be a tragedy. But, we are not men! We are women, and want,truly, with everything in our heart and bellies, to be woman, and we can not be women truly if men are not truly men! Accordingly, I would not want a man who could not whip me. I would not have the least respect for a man who was too weak to use it on me. Lay down your whip, and we will attack you, and undermine you, and use your own laws, institutions and rhetorics to destroy you, inch by inch. Lift it, and we will lick your feet in gratitude. Own us, dominate us! Enslave us , properly, so that we may love as women are meant to love, wholly and irreservedly, totally, without a thought for ourselves! She looked at me with tears in her eyes. “Is it wrong to want to be ourselves?”
Renegades of Gor page 161

Being subject tp the whip? This whole topic touches on complex issues. When I was speaking out about the evils of a BTB approach to Gor, I pointed out that the ability to physically abuse a female, something very unpopular in current Western society, actually tended to make a Gorean Master in the Gorean novels, living on the fictional planet, much weaker than the Second Life Gorean Master living in a real world. This is because of the legal support in fictional Gorean society for the use of force, even deadly force, to enforce discipline.

We can’t do that here, and certainly not in an online M/s relationship such as we find in Second Life. I know that girls have told me many times that having their pixelated avatars whipped by an angry Master in role play on Second Life actually hurts because of their emotional reaction. They tell me that the emotional pain is worse than the physical. They said that “sticks and stones merely break your bones, but it is the words that really hurt you.”

I understand the power of emotion, but I was a soldier, too, and understand the power of violence also. When you take away the power of force, as the Goreans in the books had, and have to rely on something else, I think you have to be a better man, a stronger man, and a more honorable and decent man, to coax submission from a slave. Any asshole can pick up a whip and beat a girl into a fake expression of submission, but, it takes a much stronger man to use only his words, and his own example and behavior to draw an honest submission out of her. I have suggested that this is the essential message John Norman was giving us when I say “Bad Gor/Good Gor”, is the way to understand the novels and the philosophy.

We are not supposed to run out and find a whip and become bullies to become better men. That is obviously a warped message. So, what might be the symbolic meaning of the whip?

I think it goes back to the basic problem in the one on one male female relationship dynamic. It can not be a democracy, and it can not operate , despite what feminist writer’s might claim in Cosmopolitan Magazine, on the basis of compromise. Neither of those solve the basic problem of what to do when an impasse is reached. If compromise is the method, eventually, there will be an issue where it does not work. If they vote on everything, sooner or later, there will be a 1-1 tie vote.

So, the whip could be the symbolic tie breaker. And we need a tie breaker. That is the essential flaw of our current method. Since there is no tie breaker in the relationship, the only recourse to an impasse is a Divorce lawyer, or the termination of the relationship. Nature and evolution could not have produced this result. It is not how we were programmed to be. We had to develop a relationship dynamic that kept couples together long enough to raise the human child, that stayed a child longer than almost any other species. Besides that, I am sure cavemen would have quickly “killed all the lawyers.”
The tie breaker of natural order was male dominance and female submission. You could vote, as long as the man held a tie breaking vote, and you could compromise until you couldn’t, and then the Man decided. This was the natural order, and it got us out of the caves and into space. Is it a good idea to give it up now? If a human female is hard wired that way, the quote makes perfect sense.
The kicker here is that for this system to work properly, there had to be more to it. The man could not handle this responsibility for decision making if he did not have other things to guide him. Nor would he be a “true man” simply because he had a penis hanging between his legs. This is why the concepts of Honor and even love, and the obligation to protect the weak, and brotherhood, and family all became important parts of the “true man” definition.

If he was going to be responsible for the hard decisions, and if he was going to be the one wielding the whip, he needed the help of a Gorean compass of ideas to guide him away from the easy way, and the selfish way, and the evil way, and the cruel way, to find the right way.

So, what does this have to do with slave girl lobby requirements? I think it is absolutely essential that the slave girl accepts the idea of discipline. She has to understand that she will not always get her way, and that from time to time, she will have to do something that she does not want to do. If she expects the audience to hiss at her Masters and the host to pat her shoulder when she has to yield to the “whip”, she most likely is not going to find her time in Gor profitable, and she might not even be happy in any of the upper rooms either.
I think that if a girl does not react to a Man who is honorable, uncompromising, honest and open about his own nature, and also willing to discipline her when she has erred, she should be searching the many areas of Second Life where the other kinds of men are in abundance.

Sadly, a lot of those men find their way to Second Life. Pretending to be a Master is always an easy way to score, especially given the idea of “slave girls.’ Second Life Gor can be an emotional jungle for a poor, but serious, girl who is expecting to find something different, and only finds more of the same. They are conditioned by their society to believe as Jason Marshal tells the slave in Fighting Slave of Gor, that true men are men that defer to women. So, when they come to Second Life Gor and find men either pretending to be hard ass bullies or soft hearted, attentive, men overlooking their faults and mistakes and patting them on their “baby girl” heads, they are easily fooled into thinking either of those , too hard, too soft extremes is what they were seeking.
So, this whole “only when a man is truly a man, can a woman be truly a woman” thing is way more complex and difficult to achieve than it might appear.
If you are willing to follow the codes and adhere to the values that make you a true man, then you might be said to be “holding the whip.”
If you are a female, whose heart jumps when you see a sign of true manhood, regardless of from whom, and feel that you would gladly serve and obey him, then you might be said to be “yielding to the whip.”
And again, you would be welcome in my lobby anytime.

Welcome In My Lobby

The Gorean Compass is a class given every Thursday by Master Gorm Runo.  Classes are held at the Gorean Campus and are given at noon and 6pm SLT.  All are encouraged to come and join in the amazing discussions. This class was held on November 8, 2018

Tal and greetings.

This has been one of the more difficult talks to prepare. Recently, we used an analogy borrowed from author and philosopher, C.S. Lewis, to talk of the “Gorean hotel” where there are many rooms. The idea is that there are certain requirements for entering the hotel, and once inside the lobby, and having met those basic requirements, you are free to explore the rooms.

This idea came back to me earlier this week, when a slave girl confessed that she did not enjoy the type of dancing that has become popular in Second Life, and especially with the girls from my home. She was sad because she felt that the fact that she did not enjoy this particular activity meant she was not a “good slave.” I was able to quickly go to my analogy to reassure her. Line dancing on a pose ball to Earth music while writing poetic animations is something going on in one of the rooms up on the second floor, but had nothing to do with what it took to enter the lobby, and therefore, had nothing to do with her quality as a slave girl.

I was able to think about the rooms quite a bit. In second life Gor, there are a lot of different rooms upstairs and within them it is fairly easy to be judgmental. In the dance room, I have been a judge and had to evaluate the performances of dancers. It is possible to say, she is a good dancer. She writes good emotes. Or the other side, she is not very good and needs to work on this or that. What you are saying, however, is that she is a good dancer, or a bad dancer. You are not saying she is a “good girl”, or a “good slave girl.”

I think sexuality and how it is expressed is one of those upper rooms. Some slaves embrace the idea of “slut” as the Goreans see it. They have an almost insatiable desire, and they express it very openly. It is true, they tend to be very popular around taverns and such, Men seek them out to indulge a bit in their blatant sexual banter. But, does this open sexuality make them a “good slave.” Conversely, would a bit of shyness, a more passive approach to sexuality mean she is a “bad slave.”

I think how a girl expresses her own sexuality would not be considered a lobby criteria either. I have heard countless girls, when watching the openness of one slave, suggest she is a “bad slave”, because her passion is not burning as brightly or as openly.

One of the most insidious trends in the online Gorean world is the idea that you make slave girls in much the same way you make Christmas cookies. You spread the dough, and press the cookie cutter into it, and voila, you have a bunch of interchangeable cookie cutter slaves. They all look the same, serve the same, and behave the same. This denies a basic fact about females. It is a fact that is well know and appreciated by true Gorean men. Females are not exciting creatures for their similarities to other females. What makes them so desirable is the differences in them, and the things that make them unique.

I was rummaging through the books looking for good quotes to use today, but didn’t have much luck. John Norman did not seem to pick up on the hotel idea from Lewis, and so I didn’t find quotes that would tell me what that lobby requirement might be or advice how to separate it from the requirements needed to excel up in one of the rooms. I did find this quote from Fighting Slave of Gor and thought I would share it today.
The man is Jason Marshall, still a bit new to Gor, and the girl is a slave of Gor.
“Am I to understand,” she asked, “that the men of your world do not take their women in hand, and throw them to their feet?”
“Of course not!” I said. “Our women are treated with total honor, and dignity and respect, “ I said. “They are treated as our equals.”
“Poor men, poor women,” she said.
“I do not understand, “ I said.
“You would make a love slave your equal?” she asked.
“Of course,” I said.
“You cheat her then of her opportunity to be overwhelmed, and to be forced to serve and love. You preclude her then from the fulfillment of her deepest nature.”
I said nothing.
“If you will not be a man, “ she asked, “how can she be a woman?”
“Do you think a woman is a slave?” I asked, scornfully.
“I have been in the arms of strong men, “ she said. “Yes”
I was stunned.
Page 115 Fighting Slave of Gor

As I read that I thought I might have a clue in the girl’s words of one of those basic requirements. Maybe what a female needs to enter the Gorean lobby of our analogy Hotel is not so much a resume of resolved feelings and defined attitudes, but a goal. We can teach her the trappings of Gor very easily. It will not take her long to learn we say Tal rather than Hi, and that the sleen has a triangular head and six legs. It will be easy to let her wander around the upper floors and find the rooms that appeal to her, and then fine tune her into the star of that room.
It will not be easy to give her the opportunity to be overwhelmed, and be forced to serve and love, and find the fulfillment of her deepest nature if that is not what she is there to do. It would seem that the real requirement for a slave girl would not be met by giving her a test and seeing how much she already knows and understands about herself, but rather that she be seeking the answers to the questions she does not know.
The quote might be taken another way. Does the fact, that the girl is shocked that Earthmen treat their women as equals mean that Goreans are assholes? Is this quote pointing out the “too hard” side of Gor? I think not. The girl is clearly shocked and distressed. You can treat a girl with decency and even compassion, and you can have a great deal of respect for her, but that is not what Jason is talking about. He is talking about deferring to her, denying the truth of what she is and what she really needs. This is made very clear in the next paragraph.

“You are wrong!” I cried. “You are wrong!” I was afraid terribly, then, for what if what she said was true then there might be within me a master. But if a woman should kneel before me and beg a collar would I not be terrified to enclose her lovely neck in its inflexible grasp? Would I not be afraid to own her, to assume the mighty responsibility of the mastery? Did I have the power, the strength, the courage, to be a master? Did I fear I would be unable to control and tame and make mine, such a sinuous, beautiful animal? No, I surely would have, reddening and frightened, hurried to her feet, trying to embarrass and shame her for having displayed her needs. I would have to encourage her to be a man. If she were a man, than I could, with a clear conscience, leave the woman in her unsatisfied.
Page 115 Fighting slave of Gor

It is very important that when we talk about the Gorean hotel, we remember it is not a place for everyone. We have slipped a long way to the other side in our Earth society right now. Girls and boys are facing conditioning that is unprecedented in human history via media and social media. What we do here and what we believe is on the outer fringes of mainstream acceptable behavior. We have to accept that the vast majority of females are going to be appalled at us, and would have no interest to enter our lobby except to mock, undermine, and resist what we believe about Natural order, and genetic wiring and the fulfillment of a woman’s deepest nature
So, we certainly should have something posted on the door of the lobby other than, “females who have tits, ass, and pussy are welcome here.” That is not going to successfully sort out the right ones from the wrong.
How about these as questions on a slave application? Are you here seeking to be overwhelmed? Do you desire to be forced to serve and to love? Are you seeking the fulfillment of your most deepest nature?
Are you seeking the truth about yourself? Are you seeking Men that are strong, that will put you in your place and keep you there? Are you seeking Men that are not afraid to assume the responsibilities of the mastery, and know how to meet a woman’s needs?
I suggest that if your answers to those questions are yes, then you are welcome in our lobby, and you should feel free to start exploring the many rooms.
If you do not even understand those questions, perhaps, this is the wrong place for you. It might even be the wrong place to role play and treat it as a game. Gor is powerful and addictive, and you would be much safer playing Mario Brothers.
As I have said before the Gorean experience is not one where you google the answers, it is where you learn what are the right questions to be asking.
A slave girl in SL Gor has the chance to hear “good girl” for many, many reasons. Maybe she did a good dance that pleased. Good girl. Maybe she won a tharl race for the first time. Good girl. Maybe she was an absolute wild one in the alcoves. Good girl.
But, when she is seeking with all her soul to be true to her real nature, and to express grace and beauty in all that she does; when she becomes the human personification of love itself, and when she seeks to elevate the men she serves to higher standards, making them truer men, so she can be a truer woman.
Then, she gets my real serious.
Good girl!
And those girls are always welcome in my lobby, regardless of the rooms upstairs where they play.

If I Loved Not Honor More

The Gorean Compass is a class given every Thursday by Master Gorm Runo.  Classes are held at the Gorean Campus and are given at noon and 6pm SLT.  All are encouraged to come and join in the amazing discussions. This class was held on October 25, 2018


Tal and greetings,

I am going to start off the class today by reading a love poem. I suspect that the girls will like that even as they wonder what the heck I am doing. Hopefully, by the end of the class, it will make some sense. (Takes a deep breath)

Tell me not (Sweet) I am unkind,
That from the nunnery
Of thy chaste breast and quiet mind
To war and arms I fly.

True, a new mistress now I chase,
The first foe in the field;
And with a stronger faith embrace
A sword, a horse, a shield.

Yet this inconstancy is such
As you too shall adore;
I could not love thee (Dear) so much,
Lov’d I not Honour more.

This poem was written four hundred years ago, and the language is not modern, but what he said at the end was that he could not really love her, as a man should love a woman, if he did not love honor more. That is certainly a statement that would make a Gorean sit up and pay attention.

In book thirteen of the Gor novels, Explorers of Gor, there is a scene at the beginning of the story where Tarl Cabot and Samos are dining and talking in Samos’ holding. Samos has grown fond of a Earth girl slave named linda, and Tarl is teasing him about it. Samos is a bit embarrassed, because it is true. He knows she is getting a bit under his skin, and he insists that she will not have it easy as a slave girl because of it. After this banter goes on for awhile, Tarl decides it is time to get back to business and he makes this comment.

“But lets us not speak of slaves,” I said, “girls who serve for our diversion or recreation, but of serious matters, of the concerns of men.”
“Agreed,” said he.
There was a time for slaves, and a time for matters of importance.
Page 15 Explorers of Gor

This quote could easily be taken, by those who would attack Gor, as putting down females. It suggests, some might think, that slaves are not important. That they are worthless and no more than mere toys or amusements for men. It is a very misogynistic quote, some might think.

I think the problem is that we tend not to look at the quote from the other direction. Among the many complaints made about Second Life Gor, you will often find the statement that Gor is all about slave girls and Masters. It is all about sex. Men come here merely to chase pussy, and females come as slaves to be chased for their pussy.

In this seminar, we have often spoken of balance. The whole idea of Gor that we are espousing here is that it is a balanced approach to life. We see Earth society as growing to weak and soft, while the fictional Gorean world is portrayed as being on the other extreme. It is often too hard, and lacks basic human compassion. The characters in the novels that make the transition from Earth to Gor can do so by abandoning the weakness and foolishness of Earth, but also rejecting the extreme hardness of Gor. They find that middle ground.

So, when we apply this idea to the quote, we might see Samos and Tarl agreeing not that slaves are worthless, or that diversion and recreation is not essential to human happiness and fulfillment, but rather that, from time to time, there is something else that must be tended to, and if we neglect that something else, we fall hopelessly out of balance.

We always talk of how quotes are taken out of context, and this one is an example. Tarl and Samos are going to turn their attention from slave girls to discussing the score of the Monday night football game, or even talk about their next hunting or fishing trip. “The concerns of men” is the expression they use, but their conversation turns to important things, and not just the trivial. The second phrase nails it more correct. Matters of importance.

So, I see that quote as suggesting that there is a time for war and a time for peace. A time for planting and a time for harvesting what is planted. A time to play and a time to work. It is like Tarl and Samos are sending a message to us in Second Life Gor, that if we really are guilty of being here only for the relationship aspect of Gor. If we are only here to seek a slave girl for diversion and recreation, or only here to seek a boyfriend/Master for company and security, we are only getting half a loaf. You are not going to find balance, and you are not going to grow into the superior person that the novels are urging you to become.

As I was preparing this talk, I was thinking of the expression they used first, “Concerns of Men.” They changed that to matters of importance, and I think that is important. There is a slave girl named meira at my home who has been faithfully and loyally feeding the vast bosk herd that supports our tharlarion racing teams. She has been doing this for a long time, and with little recognition. Now, if you know meira, you would know she certainly could provide diversion and recreation to your hearts content, but from time to time, attention is turned from that aspect of her to the concerns of men, and the bosk get grain. So, I am almost seeing “men” in the quote, concerns of men, as being not gender specific. Like the concerns of people, or the concerns of human beings. Matters of importance is much more accurate. I could mention the slave who has tended my kalana fields for two years, or the one that updates my blog, and transfers these classes to it, or the one that checks lessons, or on and on. All these slaves are turning their attention to the matters of importance.

Another aspect of that brings us back to the poem. I will address it from the Master perspective. When you really understand the Master/slave dynamic as it is presented in the novels, you will understand that it is not based on the physical at all. John Norman made everyone of the Gorean slave girls beautiful. It was almost an unrealistic approach, and many have pointed it out when they were being critical about the books. “How can you follow a philosophy that is only for the physically perfect Barbie Doll slave and Conan the Barbarian Masters, when the truth is the majority of us are a little less than perfect physically?” Well, it is the great equalizer. When we are all Barbie Slave and Conan Masters, that does not matter anymore, and behavior, and what is inside, and your true soul, is what matters.

And no slave, no real slave, is going to love and devote herself to an asshole. She is not going to be loyal and faithful to someone who consistently displays dishonorable behavior. And if you can think of examples of any that have in the past, stayed with abusive and dishonorable Masters, I assure you it was a reflection of dysfunctionality and not of the true dynamic. I know that the true slave girls, as much as they might moan and cry out for more attention, and the touch of their Master, feel their hearts beat with pride when they see him taking care of business, or behaving honorably with other Gorean men. Their submission grows more from their trust in his honor, belief in his goodness and decency, than it does from the touch of his hands on her naked skin.

Balance is a two sided sword. You are wrong, I think, if you do not look up from your diversions and recreations from time to time to tend to matters of importance. And you are equally wrong if you can never pull yourself away from business to devote a bit of time to diversion and recreation. Perhaps, this does not apply to everyone down there on Earth, or even to other parts of Second Life. It does apply to Gor though. It is the essential element of it.

When I have to leave a slave girl in the future to give a class, or attend a meeting, or deal with some crisis threatening our home, and I see that small tear trickle down her cheek, from eyes that seem filled with love and pride, I think this is what I might say to console her.

“I could not love you, slave girl, of mine, with the depth and passion of a Gorean Master if I did not love honor more.”

The Hotel and The Lobby

The Gorean Compass is a class given every Thursday by Master Gorm Runo.  Classes are held at the Gorean Campus and are given at noon and 6pm SLT.  All are encouraged to come and join in the amazing discussions. This class was held on October 18, 2018


I have often tried to apply this analogy to Gor, and especially to the online Gorean community of Second Life. It seemed the same problems that Lewis was trying to rationalize existed in our community in much the same way they did in Christianity. In this very seminar, we have heard person after person claim that Gor was a matter of personal interpretation. Even our long time solution of “read the books” did no good, because the response was,

“Everyone interprets the books differently based on their own beliefs.”


John Norman was not much help. The books do contain a lot of apparent contradictions, and spanned almost half a century of writing during which it is obvious that the authors view was maturing and changing, much as his characters were evolving as they became more Gorean and less Earthling. Even the idea that we have discussed frequently in this class contributed to the confusion. If John Norman was actually creating a “Bad Gor” to suggest that what he really was trying to get us to understand was that we needed to find a balance between the two extremes, it made interpretation of the books even more diverse.


So, what if we took the same approach as C.S. Lewis and viewed Gor as a hotel. It has a lobby where we all can mingle, and a lot of different rooms where we get a bit more specific about what we believe and how we practice it. If we do this, like Lewis had to do, we would be looking for what allows us to even claim we are inside the lobby. The question is

“What makes you able to claim the label of Gorean?”


If you look at the history of online Gor, the answer would be obvious. You are a Gorean if you say you are a Gorean. C.S. Lewis would not accept that and he came up with about seven basic things that you had to believe if you claimed to be Christian. Only seven! That is why I have always tried to apply this model to Gor. What if we had seven, or maybe even a few less, basic requirements? It seems that this would have been useful, but the problem would be defining those basic requirements.


Here is an example. Let us suppose that the rules at the front door of our hotel claim that you must accept that there are only two genders, male and female, and that they are very different. Who could come inside then? Remember, we are talking about the lobby, and not what is going on inside the separate rooms. Obviously, someone who believed that gender was a social construct and not a biological reality would not get inside. How about Gay Gor? Well, it seems that is something going on inside one of the rooms. It has nothing to do with the basic premise of two different genders. What about a transgender person? This also seems to fit more inside a room than the lobby. After all the transgender person might not be denying that there are two genders and they are different. They have simply switched from one to the other, correcting what they believe was a biological error.


Approaching things this way takes a great deal of mental self discipline. Our likes and dislikes do not factor into the evaluation. You might not be comfortable with some of the things going on inside the individual rooms of our hotel, but in that case, you just spend your time in other rooms and do not go in the ones that do not make you feel comfortable. If we are able to do this all the time, we reduce the number of friction points to a reasonable amount. The only ones that we might be suggesting do not belong in our community would be the ones in total denial of our basic premise and are claiming that there are 96 different genders and we can slide back and forth between them at will.


I do not see much difference in this approach between those who call themselves role players and those who call themselves lifestylers. A role player might be more open to different beliefs once logged out of SL, but would not be “rping” these things when logged in. The lifestyler would hold these beliefs on both sides of the monitor, but inside the Second Life Gorean community, both groups would be on the same page. The lifestyler claims that it is the right way to live, and the role player claims it is the right way to role play, but the end result is the same.


The Gorean world as created by John Norman has a great deal of natural diversity. We see examples of it in book after book. People of all nationalities, races, colors, religious beliefs, and sexual orientations mingling together in the large cities, and at the Sardar Fairs. We tend to view Gor as a barbarian planet, and it is true that they are brutal, and warlike. We can not call Gor a utopia, by any means, and even the idea that Norman was painting in some “Bad Gor” to give us the “too hard” extreme does not make it easier for some of us to accept what we are reading.


Still, we can be proud of the other side of the coin. Earth is being divided on exactly those kinds of racial lines. By comparison, Earth is the cesspool of prejudice and intolerance. The enemy in Gor are the Kur. They represent the animal side of our human nature, and we are battling to control that side and pay more homage to the rational. I would suspect that there is no Gorean word for genocide. I doubt that any Gorean Martin Luther King would stand up in Ar to claim that we must judge people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. A Gorean crowd would not cheer that statement. They would all say “Duh”


It is this natural diversity in Gor that makes the hotel idea attractive to me. Goreans are way more tolerant than the people of Earth. There is room inside our community for a great variety of beliefs and a great many ways to express them. We already judge people on the content of their character, and we do not care at all about what color their skin is or what God they worship. We also do not care who they chose as sexual partners. We can have a lot of rooms in our Gorean hotel, and in that diversity is our true strength. I might add, it is one of the things that does make us superior.


Still, we do need some rules for the lobby. If we have none at all, it will dilute our real values, and we will eventually be Earth society wearing different clothes, and saying Tal, instead of Hello. I think we are really more than that. But, what are those lobby rules? I suggested one today, and in the classes that follow, we will talk about some more.


I do not do this because I think we should be tasked with making up a list of “rules” and posting them on the lobby door. I am not sure that we will ever be able to agree on even a short list, and until we get a writer with the genius of C.S. Lewis, we might not even get a coherent list that the majority accepts. But, that doesn’t matter. The idea is to focus the discussion onto the important matters and make it so that we are not wasting our time on the trivial, the personal, and some of the very same idiotic issues tearing Earth society apart.